Ashley Flowers

And just to show you how far under the rug they were pushing this thing, everything in the paper like at the time was about the videotapes or whatever. Nobody publicly was connecting this guy to Peggy Hetrick in 1995. And nobody was telling Peggy's family about him, even behind the scenes. Tom didn't find out about Dr. Hammond until years later. And the way he found out was bananas.

And just to show you how far under the rug they were pushing this thing, everything in the paper like at the time was about the videotapes or whatever. Nobody publicly was connecting this guy to Peggy Hetrick in 1995. And nobody was telling Peggy's family about him, even behind the scenes. Tom didn't find out about Dr. Hammond until years later. And the way he found out was bananas.

So the defense never knew about any of that. Not just the Hammond stuff, but like so much of what we've talked about. And in looking at the file, when I say there's more to be done, I mean, I also was coming across names of people it doesn't seem like they really dug into. A guy named Greg Case, who she was dating at the time. Derek Cordova, who she had gone out with in the past.

So the defense never knew about any of that. Not just the Hammond stuff, but like so much of what we've talked about. And in looking at the file, when I say there's more to be done, I mean, I also was coming across names of people it doesn't seem like they really dug into. A guy named Greg Case, who she was dating at the time. Derek Cordova, who she had gone out with in the past.

A guy named Tim Matthews, who apparently liked Peggy and was jealous of Matt. And I'm not saying those guys had anything to do with anything. But to me, those are people who were crazy. clearly close to her, who hung out with her, who maybe were with her in like times leading up to her death. They were in her circle. I know.

A guy named Tim Matthews, who apparently liked Peggy and was jealous of Matt. And I'm not saying those guys had anything to do with anything. But to me, those are people who were crazy. clearly close to her, who hung out with her, who maybe were with her in like times leading up to her death. They were in her circle. I know.

And so when I say that more can be done, like I don't think we can just rely on DNA and like call it quits. I think there's going to have to be legwork. And I think there's still a lot of legwork that can be done even decades later. Right.

And so when I say that more can be done, like I don't think we can just rely on DNA and like call it quits. I think there's going to have to be legwork. And I think there's still a lot of legwork that can be done even decades later. Right.

So we did get some partial profiles and none of those matched him. So there were some important ones. There was one on the front waistband of Peggy's underwear and everything we have comes from touch DNA. Right. There's there was no like semen or bodily fluids. And I think their thinking was that the killer likely was the one who pulled her pants down. So maybe they'd get touch DNA.

So we did get some partial profiles and none of those matched him. So there were some important ones. There was one on the front waistband of Peggy's underwear and everything we have comes from touch DNA. Right. There's there was no like semen or bodily fluids. And I think their thinking was that the killer likely was the one who pulled her pants down. So maybe they'd get touch DNA.

Then they got some samples from under her arms, coat, boots, pants. There was a single full profile on her sleeve. But like, guess what? It turned out to be the police who weren't wearing gloves. So cross that one out. And while it hasn't been on record that they've gotten DNA from like all three of the people I've talked about, right? Matt Zollner, Donnie Long, Richard Hammond.

Then they got some samples from under her arms, coat, boots, pants. There was a single full profile on her sleeve. But like, guess what? It turned out to be the police who weren't wearing gloves. So cross that one out. And while it hasn't been on record that they've gotten DNA from like all three of the people I've talked about, right? Matt Zollner, Donnie Long, Richard Hammond.

I do know that they got one person's DNA for comparison. And it is comparison, right? There's no full profile to put into CODIS. And one of those three people did match the touch DNA on the underwear. Not all the places, but the touch DNA on the underwear. And that was Matt Zollner.

I do know that they got one person's DNA for comparison. And it is comparison, right? There's no full profile to put into CODIS. And one of those three people did match the touch DNA on the underwear. Not all the places, but the touch DNA on the underwear. And that was Matt Zollner.

Right. Like if it was Tim's, right, it totally would have been. Yeah. That's the question a lot of people are asking. And for Linda, she thinks it should be enough.

Right. Like if it was Tim's, right, it totally would have been. Yeah. That's the question a lot of people are asking. And for Linda, she thinks it should be enough.

Now, I think it's important to note that I don't think that at this point you can take a case to trial just based on that one piece of DNA. There's a lot that has to be explained at this point. I mean, and again, it's touch DNA. You don't know how it got there, when it got there. And it's only one of the profiles that was found on her. Yes. And we know that they had contact, right?

Now, I think it's important to note that I don't think that at this point you can take a case to trial just based on that one piece of DNA. There's a lot that has to be explained at this point. I mean, and again, it's touch DNA. You don't know how it got there, when it got there. And it's only one of the profiles that was found on her. Yes. And we know that they had contact, right?

Like they're going to dinner. They like they saw each other that night. Mm hmm. I think it is important. I think it is meaningful. And I think that is like when you talk about a lead that tells you where to focus, I think that's telling you where to focus. However, there is other DNA that's going to have to be explained away.

Like they're going to dinner. They like they saw each other that night. Mm hmm. I think it is important. I think it is meaningful. And I think that is like when you talk about a lead that tells you where to focus, I think that's telling you where to focus. However, there is other DNA that's going to have to be explained away.