Ashley Flowers

You're going to have to prove it in a court of law, and there's legwork that can be done. You also have, when I think about DNA, the Missy Woods of it all. If anyone remembers our JonBenet Ramsey episode, there is a DNA tech in Colorado who was there from 90s to 2023. Mm-hmm. Her name's Missy Woods.

You're going to have to prove it in a court of law, and there's legwork that can be done. You also have, when I think about DNA, the Missy Woods of it all. If anyone remembers our JonBenet Ramsey episode, there is a DNA tech in Colorado who was there from 90s to 2023. Mm-hmm. Her name's Missy Woods.

So all of her cases are getting called into question. I don't know if she touched this. And I know we sent some stuff to Holland, but stuff was stored in Colorado. Some of it was tested in Colorado. Again, I'm only saying all of this because while I think this DNA is important, you are going to have to back it up with legwork.

So all of her cases are getting called into question. I don't know if she touched this. And I know we sent some stuff to Holland, but stuff was stored in Colorado. Some of it was tested in Colorado. Again, I'm only saying all of this because while I think this DNA is important, you are going to have to back it up with legwork.

We asked about that and people who believe that Matt did this, they think that maybe he was trying to like throw people off his trail by doing that. But the precision of it. I know. I know. And listen, who's to say there isn't a world where someone killed Peggy and then someone else came along and did something, right? Like...

We asked about that and people who believe that Matt did this, they think that maybe he was trying to like throw people off his trail by doing that. But the precision of it. I know. I know. And listen, who's to say there isn't a world where someone killed Peggy and then someone else came along and did something, right? Like...

Richard Hammond had insomnia and could see that feel from his bedroom window. I don't think he wants to call police and alert them to what he's doing in his place. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying I don't know. I don't know. The reason that a lot of things might not fit is because maybe there isn't just one answer. And.

Richard Hammond had insomnia and could see that feel from his bedroom window. I don't think he wants to call police and alert them to what he's doing in his place. You know what I mean? And I'm not saying I don't know. I don't know. The reason that a lot of things might not fit is because maybe there isn't just one answer. And.

Another problem that we're going to face when it comes to making a case is that like you will have this Richard Hammond thing that is like very open ended. Again, it can never be buttoned up. Right. We don't know if Peggy was on one of those tapes because some powerful people made sure we would never know what was on those tapes, who was on those tapes.

Another problem that we're going to face when it comes to making a case is that like you will have this Richard Hammond thing that is like very open ended. Again, it can never be buttoned up. Right. We don't know if Peggy was on one of those tapes because some powerful people made sure we would never know what was on those tapes, who was on those tapes.

And if you came to the live show, this is where we started to wrap things up. But I mean, as a lot of people might have noticed by now, like the theme of these stories is going a layer deeper.

And if you came to the live show, this is where we started to wrap things up. But I mean, as a lot of people might have noticed by now, like the theme of these stories is going a layer deeper.

So while Britt and I were on tour, I sent some of our reporters back to Colorado to do some more digging, some more door knocking and like boots on the ground work, mostly because I couldn't shake the feeling that there is more to this Dr. Hammond story. Right.

So while Britt and I were on tour, I sent some of our reporters back to Colorado to do some more digging, some more door knocking and like boots on the ground work, mostly because I couldn't shake the feeling that there is more to this Dr. Hammond story. Right.

I don't know. The way that everyone made it go away so fast and like the operation we learned he had set up feels so much bigger. So we got our hands on some investigative reports from Hammond's case. And I was disappointed to see that police just straight up stopped investigating after he died. I mean, not surprised, but disappointed.

I don't know. The way that everyone made it go away so fast and like the operation we learned he had set up feels so much bigger. So we got our hands on some investigative reports from Hammond's case. And I was disappointed to see that police just straight up stopped investigating after he died. I mean, not surprised, but disappointed.

Again, at the time they said it was all to protect the victims, blah, blah, blah. But the question I have is like no one can say for sure that Hammond didn't sell or share the tapes. What we learned is that his video setup was professional. It was elaborate. And his tape catalogs were organized like a library. And Hammond would even label the tapes by like date, by victim's initials.

Again, at the time they said it was all to protect the victims, blah, blah, blah. But the question I have is like no one can say for sure that Hammond didn't sell or share the tapes. What we learned is that his video setup was professional. It was elaborate. And his tape catalogs were organized like a library. And Hammond would even label the tapes by like date, by victim's initials.

But some of the tapes were also labeled ready tapes.

But some of the tapes were also labeled ready tapes.