Ashley Flowers

But they also didn't have money problems.

They lived within their means.

They tried to take care of their kids.

And Rick carried that on after Bonnie was gone.

The kids lived with him in Indy and then in Kalamazoo, Michigan, where Rick eventually moved in 2000 for a new job.

And it was probably a good fresh start for him and for Gretchen and Josh, though Josh didn't go right away.

He was 18 by that point.

He stayed behind in Indy for a couple of years.

But it was good because here in Indy, there was always this cloud of suspicion hanging over Rick, but without investigators ever really pulling the trigger.

So it's like he can't clear his name.

You just like live in this weird limbo.

Well, at least not for a long time.

In 2007, the law enforcement division of the Marion County Sheriff's Department and the Indianapolis Police Department.

So there were two different agencies at the time.

They consolidated.

And that's what we now know as IMPD.

And that is who is the lead agency today.

So around that time, that's when Detective Catherine Byron finally goes up to Michigan and has another conversation with Rick like 10 years in the making.

And Josh gave us that transcript as well.

So I figured you should hear exactly what Rick had to say.