Ashley Flowers

He's like, you know, I'm pretty frustrated with Detective Mike Kelly.

He was the OG detective.

Because apparently he went on a local TV segment about Bonnie's case and talked about her leaving the bar the same time as that John guy we talked about.

But he's like, that's how I had to find out about this John guy Mike Kelly never told me.

Now, at first, this was, like, one of the only things I couldn't wrap my head around from his whole second interview was this, like, time when he's asked if he thought Bonnie was having an affair.

And he says he doesn't think so because it seems like such a big part of the narrative now.

But maybe he really had no idea.

I mean, remember, her friend Anita and John, I mean, they clearly knew.

I mean, John's in the affair with her.

But they're not talking to Rick.

And if I go back to news reports from those very early days, even early years, an affair is not mentioned.

So...

It's possible he really was in the dark, even when police weren't.

Now, a year after that interview with Rick, the case ends up getting transferred again to a new lead detective, Sergeant Daniel Kistner, who he's the one who we talked to for this episode.

And he and another detective decide to go back up to Michigan in 2008.

And in that time, they did a nearly seven-hour interview with Rick.

Now, we don't have the transcript of that one, and Sergeant Kistner wouldn't give it to us, but he told us that Rick had vivid memories of his whole life except for the weeks leading up to Bonnie's disappearance.

He kept saying that he couldn't recall many of the details, and Sergeant Kistner said that the interview got pretty tense when he called him on it and suggested that he knew more.

And after that, IMPD ended up getting a search warrant for Rick's place up in Michigan, and they collected...

All the electronic devices in the house.