Astead Herndon

Makes sense.

I want to end on a question about people's own kind of emotions in this moment.

I think the scope of Trump's corruption can feel disempowering.

The administration seems immune to public opinion at many times, undeterred by legal and kind of institutional restraints.

And it feels like, you know, we're kind of strapped in the beginning of a roller coaster that, you know, you don't know where it ends.

Is that true?

Like, do we have, are constraints coming?

Is moderation coming?

Or is it just a matter of like,

you know, fingers crossed.

Senator Murphy, thank you for coming.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

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