Athena Aktipis

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #144 Classic episode – Athena Aktipis on why cancer is a fundamental universal phenomena · 9 Jan 2026 podcast

And yeah, it ended up being something that Workman was really interested in.

And so, you know, then just kind of got set on that that pathway.

And it's been really fun, I have to say.

So I said... Yeah, you know, it's like, what are we going to talk about?

How about like some really morbid topics like cancer and the apocalypse, you know, just choose which one.

Yeah.

I mean, my my whole thing is like looking at the world through the lens of cooperation and conflict to sort of as these organizing principles.

And, you know, just like with, you know, with physics.

the rules of physics, the laws of physics apply at all scales right now.

Some laws of physics apply maybe more at some scales than others just because of the way, you know, the universe is set up.

I think it's really similar with the laws kind of underlying cooperation.

There are many things that apply across systems and scales, but then there's some things that apply more to some systems than others.

So, you know, for example,

You can look at things like, you know, division of labor, like that's a basis of cooperation across pretty much all systems that have cooperation that you can have division of labor or, you know, in many systems, that's something that you can have.

Economies of scale, right?

That's another one where it's like, as you scale up, some things become more efficient.

Maybe you reach a point where that stops, and then it becomes less efficient, right?

So there are principles that apply.

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