Athena Aktipis

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You could say, okay, that's the goal that each cell has.

And our body has on some level.

But you can't just expect the cell to know how to do that, right?

It has all of these rules encoded into its genome.

And it's interacting with all these other cells in ways that lead to sort of the emergence of...

the pursuit of those goals at the higher level.

But yeah, it's, I mean, it's a lot harder to be goal directed than we think because that's so easy for us.

Like we're, we're so used to operating that way and projecting goals onto other entities in order to kind of make sense of their behavior.

Cause it's a really good heuristic.

Yeah.

But that's what it is.

It's a heuristic for what is underlying, you know, the underlying mechanisms are so complex that we can't even wrap our brains around them.

To me, this is all kind of an extension of our earlier conversation about the evolution of life and multicellularity.

And it's just kind of taking it back a few steps.

So very, very early on in the evolution of life, there wasn't anything like a genome, like a bunch of DNA that is...

teaming up to replicate itself together with all the machinery to replicate and all of that.

You had probably something that was much more RNA-like.

So you had basically just these molecules that were able to replicate themselves in one way or another.

And once you...

start sort of having situations where these entities that are replicating can do so more effectively in a cluster, then they will stick together.

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