Audie Cornish

Like, they're sitting on the reserve.

It's just, does this administration have the attention span?

Is the country willing to...

do what it takes to secure a long-term investment.

I mean, no one has the appetite for a very long list of things for the reasons you guys, everyone has said, which is like the ghost of Iraq and that whole conversation just haunts this foreign policy.

I mean, I have to, Cara, I want to raise something with you and your point of view, which is that there's a lot of people who would say all the Trump people really do is overt versions of things that the U.S.

has always done covertly.

So the long list of Latin American regime change and interventions, I'm just going to pick a date and go back to like 51 or something.

Now, the only difference is they just do it.

Right.

And instead of us playing this like absurd game with Donald Rumsfeld about oil and whether it's the oil and whether it's not.

And then Jim Baker is like, oh, it's definitely I mean, just nonsense.

Now we just have people saying the thing.

Yeah.

And like, is there something to be said for a like you're addressing everything more directly?

And number two, what is for Democrats?

What's their response?

What are you going to tell a Venezuelan expat?

Like, well, we really want that dictator to stay because we don't like the way they're doing this.

She was head of the intelligence.