Avery Trufelman

And I think this is the core insecurity that sizes tap into.

They feel like an assessment, an inaccurate, ever-changing grading system where you never quite know where you stand.

Ah, but even still, to know how these clothes will fit relative to you,

You must do that thing that I think we all want to avoid, the thing that makes sizing and shopping so uncomfortable, which is confronting your own body.

Nicky Martin made this helpful step-by-step video that showed people how to measure themselves.

And even for Nikki, a technical designer who thinks about bodies and fit all day long, making this measurement video was kind of difficult.

The sizing on a tag, the number on a tape measure, or spinning around in your underwear on a scanner.

Wish I wasn't feeling so bloated today.

There are all different ways of doing that thing that we do not want to do.

Reckon with our aging, asymmetrical, corporeal selves to see that you're changing and you're shifting because you are.

Even if you're a fit model.

Because this is what fit models know and what the general public has yet to internalize.

They really do not.

Thank you so much to Josh Smith and Zach Smith, no relation, for the inspiration for this episode.

And thank you also to legendary fit expert and pattern maker Issa Bielefeld.

Your insights were so helpful.

I'm sorry I couldn't fit you in.

Thanks also to Bill Ivers at State Management for helping to book Marcy and Britt, especially because Britt is running around from appointment to appointment all day and doesn't get any time to check email.

Also, Brit did this amazing thing where she took pictures of what a fitting looks like.

This is a little miniature episode that is sponsored by Macy's.