Avery Trufelman

It's glaring.

It's everywhere.

Well, initially I was shocked, and it really, really weirded me out because literally everybody was there.

Your phone company was there.

Your internet provider was there.

Your workout machine at the gym was there.

Like, every company was there.

And so that's the thing.

It's like a lot of companies contract with the military, or try to.

Clothing is just the tip of the spear.

And I walked out of it being like, oh my god, I'm so much more connected to the military than I thought.

But totally in the opposite way that I thought.

Like it makes me kind of into the military style clothes.

And I never was before.

I was like, that's a fetishization of the military.

I'm anti that.

I started wearing camouflage and I started wearing combat boots.

Yeah, it's sort of like acknowledgement of the water I swim in, you know?

It's like, I think I used to feel really like rigid in my role as like, I'm a civilian, I'm anti-war, I don't do that.

And now I'm like, well, I am civilian and I am against war and...