Avery Truffleman

Like that is the first sort of... Whoa, wait.

by a designer.

It's by Vivienne Westwood.

And sure, some of it was inspired by the street, but a lot of the sort of canonical ideas of what we think punk clothing is, sure, some of it came from Richard Hell, but a lot of it came from this designer that had a very expensive high-end shop and then started doing runway shows.

And it was the first example I was like,

This is what this is for.

Because I think the world of fashion design had been so sort of severed from every day.

You see things on a runway.

I could give the whole Cerulean Blue monologue, but I didn't realize more than, again, this idea that fashion exists outside of commerce.

It wasn't just someone telling you what to buy.

It's like, this designer gave me a new language for what is beautiful.

That someone could have like hair that sticks out all over the place or like, you know, makeup that looks strange and be like, that's beautiful.

That's interesting.

That she gave us a new, that you could wear a shirt with holes in it.

You know, that she just gave, she handed us this totally new framework for how to think about ourselves and how to identify ourselves.

And I was like, oh, this is what this is for.

This is how you push boundaries.

And this is what all the boundary pushing is for.

And it really changes people.

It really changes things.