Avery Truffleman

But I think I really wanted...

I used to work for the podcast 99% Invisible, and it was about architecture and design.

And it was really building off this legacy of design criticism and architecture criticism.

And I was like, oh, it would be cool to apply that lens to fashion.

Not that I'm a critic, but this sort of... This lens of not just what's new, but what does it all mean?

This sort of sense-making element.

And the funny thing is, Jad, like...

when you say it's not fashion journalism, it's being curious about humanity.

I do think that's sort of what fashion is.

And I do think this word has been... Because everything... When you're studying fashion, you're studying...

human desires and aspiration.

And when people talk about trends, like the trends towards minimalism or maximalism, the trends towards driving or biking, these are ways we are headed.

And I do think that's fashion.

I just think it's manifested externally through clothes.

And I think it's taken a long time for me.

And I think that's part of why I'm like, I'm a fashion journalist.

Cause I think it has to get, it has to stop.

Even though I'm embarrassed to say it, just like I'm embarrassed to be a podcaster.

I'm like trying to get less embarrassed about saying it.

So I'm like, I'm a fashion journalist, fashion journalist.