Barack Obama

deficit with my wife and had to kind of work my way out of, right?

So we went on a lot of trips and hung out and, you know, just had nice dinners and slept in.

And then I think

What this is an opportunity for you, it was an opportunity for me, was figuring out, all right, what's my next highest and best use?

What's a new purpose that...

scratches that itch.

And it may not come to you right away.

The podcast was kind of a random thing, right?

You said, well, let's try this out.

And you didn't know it was going to go for 16 years.

I assume when you did the first show.

No, we didn't know anything.

You didn't know anything.

You were trying to figure it out.

But you probably have an inkling of what you just described about

People trusting you, you connecting partly because you're willing to be vulnerable in front of people and kind of let them know what's going on inside your gut.

There's a power to that.

What's another way of channeling it, right?

That may be different than you playing a character in a movie or even you doing stand-up.

There's something more raw there.