Barack Obama

But you probably have an inkling of what you just described about

People trusting you, you connecting partly because you're willing to be vulnerable in front of people and kind of let them know what's going on inside your gut.

There's a power to that.

What's another way of channeling it, right?

That may be different than you playing a character in a movie or even you doing stand-up.

There's something more raw there.

honest, exposed about what you do when you're just having a conversation and connecting with people.

And so the question is, well, is there another way for me to catch that?

Yeah.

You know, but you don't have to rush into it.

I guess my main thing would be, you know, take your time unless, unless you really got some bills to pay.

Yeah.

I mean, what was unusual for me was, obviously...

A lot of what I represented, a lot of what Michelle and I had tried to project, the values, our thinking about America, my successor seemed to represent the opposite.

Right.

Not seemed, didn't.

Yeah.

And so I think there was a lot of anger, a lot of sadness.

sadness, some fear among a big chunk of the country.

And one of the problems with the American political system is, although we have political parties, we don't have a parliamentary system.