Barack Obama

To be able to say, no, that's not who we are.

And to be willing to get attacked on X by whoever for doing that.

And it's not easy.

Yeah, because sometimes you fear for your life.

Yeah.

And there's this whole process of doxing.

I always used to, Michelle and I talk about the fact that a lot of our friends

We used to call them civilians because if they got criticized on the comment page about something, they'd be freaked out.

And we're like, you know what?

I mean, we've had so much incoming over the course of 10 years.

Now we chose it, or at least I chose it, as Michelle will point out.

And then she was subjected to it.

You do get a tougher skin.

But I understand how it's hard when suddenly your email or your –

phone is filled up with hostile, nasty, trolling garbage, right?

And you've gotten used to it too.

But I tell you, it's not like, we're not at the stage where you have to be like Nelson Mandela and be in a 10 by 12 jail cell for 27 years.

Not yet.

And break rocks.

We're not at that point.