Barack Obama

And I do think that our generation, yours and mine, Mark, because again, we're about the same age, we were so accustomed to things kind of getting better consistently over our lifetimes, a little less racist, a little less sexist, less homophobic, a little more generous, that

It was easy, I think, to say, well, yeah, I'm a progressive.

But it didn't really cost us anything.

We could take positions on things that we thought were correct.

But they were never really tested.

So, well, here's the test.

And I think, ultimately, a lot of people will pass.

But I think they haven't realized yet

No, we're being tested right now.

I think people, and that includes young people, right?

Understand there are consequences to the choices that we're making.

If you decide not to vote, that's a consequence.

If you are a Hispanic man and you're frustrated about inflation and so you decided, eh, you know what?

All that rhetoric about Trump doesn't matter.

I'm just mad about inflation.

And now your sons are being stopped in L.A.,

because they look Latino.

And maybe, you know, without the ability to call anybody, might just be locked up.

Well, that's a test.

There's some clarity that's coming about right now that I wish, you know, it'd be great if we weren't tested this way, but you know what?