Barack Obama

And maybe, you know, without the ability to call anybody, might just be locked up.

Well, that's a test.

There's some clarity that's coming about right now that I wish, you know, it'd be great if we weren't tested this way, but you know what?

We probably need to be shaken out of our complacency anyway.

Well, look.

I mean you saw what happened with Kimmel.

And I mean the consolidation of media.

It's interesting.

We were talking about it.

There used to be sort of a monoculture.

Yeah.

Three TV stations.

Sure.

And PBS.

But partly because it was coming out of World War II, and I think people had been sufficiently scared and traumatized by it.

what had happened in terms of propaganda and Hitler and all this, we set up a bunch of structures that created journalistic standards and fact-checking and clear lines between opinion and fact.

And now we've got –

Media is just as concentrated, but none of the rules, right?

Right.

And it can feed some of our worst impulses and tell each segment of people out there, just feed back their own biases and prejudices back to them and make money on it.