Baron Ryan

And we were saying, I think the solution is it's about resilience as opposed to shelling up and never opening up.

It's about opening up.

And if you get hurt, you get back up instead of just never trying or never coming out of your shell.

And

I don't know if that's true or not.

I'm workshopping that tactic right now.

As far as I can tell, that seems to me to be a bit of a better solution than never opening up.

I could never pinpoint certain moments, but I think I was the youngest child.

And so as the youngest, you're almost always giving in.

And I think you're just trained.

I am just trained to do that.

And that training serves you well in adulthood, but in very bad ways.

Sure.

It could also be that I need to be more anxious as opposed to more depressed.

I've thought of this.

Okay, because I'm always thinking in hindsight.

You have an interaction with someone.

You're like, oh, did I come off too strong?

Why didn't I just tell the Uber driver to turn the air conditioning off?

But if I was anxious, I would look forward and be like, oh, I'm going to be cold.