Baroness Louise Casey

You want to be able to stocktake when you arrive in power and you want to be able to get pieces of work done so you can consider them.

And I think the other thing that has happened after 15 years is a lot of that work is outsourced.

This started to happen before the Labour government arrived.

Under the last government, you saw the use of people being outsourced.

And I don't think you can outsource government and you can't outsource the civil service.

And I think, in a way...

we need a bit of a shift into government and the civil service doing what it should do best, which is governing, and you only ask for reviews and inquiries when either you can't figure something out, like social care, or...

something really has happened that is a bit, what do we do about it?

We need to stop taking a review.

It's not a sort of default position every time you have a thought.

Well, I mean, I haven't done a look at what they did in opposition, and I haven't... I don't think it would have taken long, judging from some people's views.

Thank God it's radio.

I mean, look, in a way, there's no point going over the last few years, is there?

We are where we are, and it's time to get a grip and get on with some things.

And I think that the culture has to shift more into getting stuff done, and that would be my response to that.

But I do think when people don't know what to do...

It's probably all right sometimes to pause and check you're doing the right thing.

It's like, if you just said to me about grooming gangs, do you need a statutory inquiry?

I said, nope, nope, nope, move on, employ some police officers, get some stuff done.

Actually, no, I was...