Baroness Louise Casey

I was wrong at the beginning of that grooming gang thing.

I thought people would cooperate.

You had local authorities lawyering up.

So somebody comes along and says, what's happened in your local authority?

What's happened in your police force?

We've got these victims.

This is their account.

What did you do?

If that means that...

both sides essentially lawyer up with barristers, refuse to share data and don't cooperate, then someone like me is going to go on behalf of the public, if I can be so bold, you would go, you know, you either need a shit-hot investigative journalist or...

or you need statutory inquiry, and frankly, a bit of both.

Nice question.

Have you got an hour?

Okay.

So, essentially, the Independent Commission on Social Care is trying to look at, if you think of post-1948...

onwards post-war britain we created the national health service essentially we re-engaged the fact that there would be education for all children and that that would be to 18 years of age there was a massive push on housing there was a welfare state insofar as we were prepared to give benefits people to people for limited periods of time when they were sick or when they were destitute and obviously the aim was for full employment

At that time... Basically everyone having a job.

Everybody should have a job.

And I remain of the view that if we have everybody working who was working age and contributing, it would shift some of the problems in society.

I'm a great believer in everybody go to school and everybody work.