Baroness Louise Casey

Why not?

Because that's when puberty started?

Is that why?

I mean, there's sort of lunacy around it.

And it's trying to push that in a different direction.

And then what happens... Sorry, I'll shut up in a second.

But then what happens is...

You have a court case like last week, and quite rightly, that's why victims can appeal to the Attorney General.

I just wish the family didn't have to go through that.

And I think when the word rape, bang, is what is found in a sentence, people need to know they're going to face custody.

I'm really straightforward about these things.

I think if you're convicted of rape, no matter how old you are...

I'd have to be, you know, that's why we have criminal age responsibility.

That's why I think very clear messages about if somebody says no, what that is, they go through all of that in a courtroom.

I can't tell you how long these cases are to try and really, really, really get under the sound of whether she did or didn't consent.

What did that look like?

They're young boys.

They'll have gone through their social media.

They'd have tracked everything down.

It will have been a very, very... And they found them guilty of rape.