Baroness Louise Casey

And I think there are certain things where actually because the public would expect the judges to, in my view, impose a criminal custodial conviction doesn't have to be for very long.

I have a view on how long it should be for rape, certainly for over 18 year olds.

But I think we need very clear signals to people in a world that feels very social media, very grey, very confusing.

Should you have a phone?

Shouldn't you have a phone?

What's sex texting?

All of that stuff.

Rape is rape.

And we should be really clear what happens if you rape somebody.

Yes.

I mean, look, I have no power in this at all.

I am no more powerful in this than anybody else sat in the room.

And yes, I think the judge got it wrong in this case.

And I think it's OK sometimes to say judges get things wrong.

You know, they're not saints no more than anybody else in this room is.

People make mistakes.

And a mistake was made last week for that family and those girls.

No.

We'll see how Alan gets on.

And, you know, I'm only teasing.