Barry Baines

don't get the same level of care, don't have the same access to care as do the Caucasian population.

I mean, that's sort of a, you know, what it is.

And I was just wondering if from your perspective, does that also wind up playing a role in the options that are available for your clientele, particularly black men,

in terms of what I'm going to say is, is there a better option for addressing that trauma?

And then, well, yeah, but do they have access to it?

Because if they're shut off from that, then what, in some ways it makes it worse because, you know, well, yeah, there's something that can be done, but I can't, but I can't get it or I can't access it.

I'm just wondering, well, you know, how, how you kind of see that.

Well, I would say at the time I was in practice, very little.

I would say, you know, I sort of am a ways distant from a direct practice with families that tended to concentrate more on geriatric and, you know, people dying.

And in that one, oftentimes trauma would come up, but it was more how do you reconcile that?

And the other reality is that this whole idea of people being traumatized is still something that's evolving.

It's becoming more talked about.

You know, it was always hidden.

before.

It was not something he talked about.

And so I think the landscape for that has changed a bit.

If I was back, you know, we can't press the

the tapes to go back in time and then press the, let's do a redo.

Like we came on the show here.

If we need to, you know, edit stuff, we can't do that.