Barry Lamb
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first heard Jan 2022
last heard Apr 2023
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If we do give animals their day in court, what other kinds of legal or political rights follow for them?
Philosophers have imagined such a future.
And it isn't a simple one.
Kristen Andrews studies animal thinking and feeling, the kind of things that matter to figuring out whether animals are persons and therefore deserving of certain kinds of moral treatment.
While Andrews did write in support of releasing the two chimpanzees kept in private captivity, she didn't write in support of transferring Happy to a sanctuary, even though other philosophers did.
The reason was her own humility.
own limitations that worry Andrews.
She thinks any person put in the position of arguing and advocating for the interests of particular animals will run into the same problem.
One way of putting into practice the idea that animals are deserving of rights is the guardianship model, which is to think of animals as having rights the way young children or some disabled adults do.
Another human is put in charge of advocating for those rights in particular cases, making arguments on behalf of another to be adjudicated by some judge or third party.
One alternative to guardianship models is the Zoopolis model, based on the book Zoopolis by Sue Donaldson and William Kimlicka.
In a zoopolis, humans aren't caretakers for animals.
It's more like we're alongside them, cohabitants in a political community.
The rights an animal has doesn't depend on what a particular human advocates for in a court, but rather the place of the animal in the political community as a whole.
In a zoopolis, conflicts that arise between wild animals and between humans and wild animals would be like territorial disputes in the human world.
One country annexes another, or two nations fight over a piece of land.
The right response to a pack of lions attacking a hyena is neither to save the hyena or help the lion.
Most of the time, the right answer is non-interference, even if wild animals are suffering as a result of the conflict.
Interference by humans in communities of wild animals, well, that's foreign intervention in a zoopolis.
And we know that the morality of foreign intervention is complicated.
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