Barry Lamb
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704 appearances
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first heard Jan 2022
last heard Apr 2023
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But how radical is it in particular cases?
Talking to Kristen Andrews, it was clear she saw many animals as having personhood status, with zoopolis rights.
And I would have thought that that meant there's a lot of things you can't do to animals, because you can't do them to people.
Like breed them, or sterilize them, or force them into labor.
But as soon as I asked those kinds of questions, she pointed out a gap between animals having political rights and what it's okay to do to them, which was not a gap I expected.
I'm going to try to bring back my question.
My question is, seeing animals as having political rights and personhood status, it doesn't automatically rule out certain kinds of treatment.
There's still a kind of reasoning and calculation we have to do.
So my question is, seeing them as people, as political agents, what does it automatically rule out in the ethics part?
Does it automatically rule out any way we currently treat animals?
So how does this not rule out pets?
Does it rule out all of animal agriculture?
Animals are bought and sold in animal agriculture.
Like, you know, I'll buy 60 head of cattle.
Like this is before, even if we don't talk about the killing and you just claim that it was, you know, it rules out buying and selling.
So if that aspect of animal agriculture, which is necessary for the transfer of property.
Yeah.
We're not even talking about the killing here, right?
Yeah, I mean, all I was asking was, it doesn't seem like a conflict.
It seems like the politics already precludes that.
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