Barry Weiss
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976 appearances
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2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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All right, here's another way that I think that that analogy maybe doesn't hold up. And Jeff, maybe you could think about this one with me out loud. Some people argue that this comparison is wrong because, one, there's no endgame to AI in the same way that there's a nuclear bomb at the end of the nuclear arms race.
And two, and this is something you might disagree with, AI can't be regulated in the same way. What do you make of those two arguments?
Tyler, just to table set for a second. You agree that we're in a arms race or whatever you want to call it. Okay.
Okay. And do you think that we're winning that race right now?
What's at stake in us winning it and how will we know? Because, you know, to go back to the analogy, we knew the space race was over when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. We knew we'd won the race to build an atomic weapon when we set one off in Nevada. How will we know? Like, will there be a moment? How will we know if we won this? What does winning look like?
And I guess the deeper question is, like, what's at stake in us winning here?
Maybe let's take a step back. When Sam Altman, who runs OpenAI, was recently on the show, he was making a lot of this race and we were talking a lot about it. And I said, what's at stake? What happens if China wins?
And he basically just said they can do whatever they want, which I thought was a pretty chilling answer for those of us who are worried about what the CCP wants in the world, not just for China, but beyond its borders. What's at stake, Jeff, do you think in this race that we're in?
It seems to me that one of the big debates is around, and I don't think there's a clear answer in MAGA world about where they fall, is about decoupling or not. Rand Paul was on this show a few months ago, and he had a pretty strong argument against decoupling based on the idea that the more we trade with China, the lower our appetite is for armed conflict.
How can you go to war with someone when you're changing so much money with them? Where do you guys fall on that argument?
But stability for them looks very different than stability for us.
But also they're more willing to clamp down on things that we regard as basic freedoms in order to attain what they perceive as stability.
Well, let me put a simple question to you both. Right now, today, two of the top 10 apps in the Apple Store are Chinese, with Deep Seek being the most popular. If you could wave a magic wand and we didn't live in a democracy, or let's just say you were president tomorrow, would you ban those apps from being in the Apple Store?
But DeepSeek has admitted, Tyler, that it's going to save user data in China where the government there can access all of it at any time.
So is privacy just over online and should we just assume China has access to everything?
Should it bother us? Should it keep us up at night?
I mean, one of the things that I thought was interesting is after TikTok was banned, a lot of people said it doesn't matter if China has our data because American companies take our data, too. Is that moral equivalency, Jeff, or is there a meaningful difference between the two?
Put the data to the side. You know, lots of people have compared the kind of content that American kids are served on TikTok to digital fentanyl. And we know that we get videos about drinking Tide Pods or whatever, and Chinese kids get like Khan Academy, how to do calculus at the age of five. Does that bother you, Tyler? And should that bother the ordinary American?
Just to pan out for a second, there's a lot of Americans who don't use Claude, Perplexity, any of these tools yet, Tyler and Jeff, in the way that you guys do. Tell them, those of them who are listening, how these tools have changed your life already.
Well, what is the point? I mean, one of the things that, you know, the doomers, those that are really, really worried about how this technology will upend our society is not just that it will put a lot of people out of work, but that it will somehow create a kind of existential crisis about our purpose in the world when we're around something, Tyler, as you said, that's already happening.
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