Barry Weiss
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976 appearances
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2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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Okay, offensichtlich eine riesige Menge da. Ich möchte ein bisschen tiefer in die Details des Deal gehen und auch die Meta-Implikationen, Batia, die du gerade besprochen hast. Lass uns einen Moment aufhalten. Und Chris, ich möchte dich hier einbringen. Viele Leute haben das Video gesehen und fühlten das Gegenteil von dem, was Batia gerade gesagt hat.
Not that the president and the vice president were standing up for the American taxpayer, but they were dressing down, even if he wore the wrong clothes, even if he should have had a translator, even if he was a little bit rude, that fundamentally what we were watching was the dressing down of a war-weary besieged ally in public.
And it looked to a lot of people like strong people punching down against a weak person. You wrote, Chris, in the Free Press today this. Zelensky had played a Trumpian trick, which I want you to explain, but he won a Trumpian victory and for now it looks like a Pyrrhic one. So break it down for us.
What you stipulated in this article is that, you know, Zelensky and Trump, it's kind of like the perfect litmus test. People that love Trump hate Zelensky. People that love Zelensky hate Trump. But what you point out is that other than Trump himself, Zelensky is the most Trump-like leader on the political scene. So talk to us about that and how you saw those 50 minutes.
I think that one of the Key things being debated right now is whether or not Zelensky was poorly advised and wasn't adept enough to read the room. Or if he had become sort of so confident, having been working with administration in Biden that was so sympathetic to him. He obviously spoke this summer at a Pennsylvania rally. Harris war nicht da, aber es war im Grunde ein Harris-Demokraten-Rallye.
Er wurde von Annie Leibovitz im Vanity Fair fotografiert. Und vielleicht hat er nicht das Memo über die neue Administration und den Vibe-Schiff bekommen. Was denkt ihr, was das war?
Aber Brianna, warum sind die Leute dann so begeistert von der Idee, und um es krudelig zu sagen, ich fühle mich, dass die Art und Weise, wie die Debatte im Publikum stattfindet, ist, schau dir diese verlassenen, verlassenen, du weißt, amerikanischen Städte an, viele davon, die Batia in dem Buch geschrieben hat, die sich einfach hinter ihrem Schulter befindet.
Warum senden wir Billionen von Dollar nach Ukraine und anderen fremden Ländern, wenn sie zu den amerikanischen Menschen gehen sollten? Erklär mir, warum das eine falsche Dichotomie ist.
Aber du sagst, es ist nicht das eine oder andere.
More after the break with Batya Anger Sargon, Brianna Wu and Chris Caldwell. Stay with us. Eine der Dinge, die sicherlich die Kabel-News dominiert, ich bin mir nicht sicher, wie viele von uns das jetzt mehr anschauen, aber ich finde es interessant, ist, dass man eine Rückkehr von dem sieht, was ich als eine totale Lette war.
Die Idee von Russiagate, die Idee, dass die Punditur in der ersten Trump-Administration dominierte, dass Trump... was at best sympathetic to Putin and Russia, at worst somehow a paid-up tool with a secret P-Tape that never materialized. All of that kind of fell apart. I will admit, in the early days of the Trump administration, I watched
die Namen aller dieser verschiedenen russischen Charaktere zu lernen, nur um zu erkennen, dass mein Gehirn von absolutem Nonsens ausgetragen wurde. Aber wir sehen eine echte Rückkehr davon.
Und ich möchte, dass wir damit ein bisschen zusammenkommen, weil du nicht glauben musst, dass Trump irgendwie wie ein geheimer russischer Agent ist, um diese neue Administrationspolizei zu beobachten und zu denken, warte, setze alle Details ab. If Moscow is celebrating what America is doing, Isn't that just plain bad?
Not to sound like too much of a civilian here, but isn't that just a really good litmus test? And if you're seeing people like Medvedev and others celebrating what happened on Friday and celebrating the direction that the Trump administration is taking policy in this war, isn't that a sign that things are going in a bad direction? And Chris, I'd love for you to contend with that.
So, I just want to underline it for people that are coming new to this. What you're saying is, what appears like Trump's seeming sympathy toward Putin and Russia is actually a strategic move to pull Russia toward America and away from China.
Es gab einen wirklich brillanten Artikel, den Matt Continetti über Trumps Außenpolitik-Revolution vor einer Woche in der Freien Presse geschrieben hat. Und ich möchte euch ein Paragraph lesen, weil ich denke, dass es einige der Dinge, die wir sehen, aufsammelt. He basically is trying to capture what I view as the most intense debate going on right now on the political right.
And, you know, usually the terms that are used are like neocon, isolationist. He uses two words that I think are more neutral and I actually think more effective. He says, »On one side of the fight are the so-called primacists, who insist that American leadership and greater defense can save or revive the post-war order.«
On the other side are the Restrainers, who counter that America should reduce its overseas commitments and adopt a balance of power diplomacy toward China and Russia. Primacists tend to be hawks and are often disparaged incorrectly as neocons. Restrainers are doves, and Trump is siding with the Restrainers for the moment.
Do you guys think that that is a fair... Because I think what we're seeing is basically the... Dominance of the Restrainers, at least for now. You could argue that it's weird to see Rubio, who was absolutely a Primacist up until about five minutes ago, join that camp. But I think that's very much what we're seeing. And to me, maybe I'll be very humbled here.
I think the jury's out on whether or not that's true. But I think for those of us who are inclined to be Primacists, Es ist sehr schwierig, nicht nur die 50 Minuten am Freitag zu sehen, sondern auch die generelle Richtung der Dinge. Und nicht zu fühlen, als ob wir eine Außenpolitik der Verschuldung sehen.
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