Barry Weiss

All right, here's another way that I think that that analogy maybe doesn't hold up. And Jeff, maybe you could think about this one with me out loud. Some people argue that this comparison is wrong because, one, there's no endgame to AI in the same way that there's a nuclear bomb at the end of the nuclear arms race.

All right, here's another way that I think that that analogy maybe doesn't hold up. And Jeff, maybe you could think about this one with me out loud. Some people argue that this comparison is wrong because, one, there's no endgame to AI in the same way that there's a nuclear bomb at the end of the nuclear arms race.

All right, here's another way that I think that that analogy maybe doesn't hold up. And Jeff, maybe you could think about this one with me out loud. Some people argue that this comparison is wrong because, one, there's no endgame to AI in the same way that there's a nuclear bomb at the end of the nuclear arms race.

And two, and this is something you might disagree with, AI can't be regulated in the same way. What do you make of those two arguments?

And two, and this is something you might disagree with, AI can't be regulated in the same way. What do you make of those two arguments?

And two, and this is something you might disagree with, AI can't be regulated in the same way. What do you make of those two arguments?

Tyler, just to table set for a second. You agree that we're in a arms race or whatever you want to call it. Okay.

Tyler, just to table set for a second. You agree that we're in a arms race or whatever you want to call it. Okay.

Tyler, just to table set for a second. You agree that we're in a arms race or whatever you want to call it. Okay.

Okay. And do you think that we're winning that race right now?

Okay. And do you think that we're winning that race right now?

Okay. And do you think that we're winning that race right now?

What's at stake in us winning it and how will we know? Because, you know, to go back to the analogy, we knew the space race was over when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. We knew we'd won the race to build an atomic weapon when we set one off in Nevada. How will we know? Like, will there be a moment? How will we know if we won this? What does winning look like?

What's at stake in us winning it and how will we know? Because, you know, to go back to the analogy, we knew the space race was over when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. We knew we'd won the race to build an atomic weapon when we set one off in Nevada. How will we know? Like, will there be a moment? How will we know if we won this? What does winning look like?

What's at stake in us winning it and how will we know? Because, you know, to go back to the analogy, we knew the space race was over when Neil Armstrong walked on the moon. We knew we'd won the race to build an atomic weapon when we set one off in Nevada. How will we know? Like, will there be a moment? How will we know if we won this? What does winning look like?

And I guess the deeper question is, like, what's at stake in us winning here?

And I guess the deeper question is, like, what's at stake in us winning here?

And I guess the deeper question is, like, what's at stake in us winning here?

Maybe let's take a step back. When Sam Altman, who runs OpenAI, was recently on the show, he was making a lot of this race and we were talking a lot about it. And I said, what's at stake? What happens if China wins?

Maybe let's take a step back. When Sam Altman, who runs OpenAI, was recently on the show, he was making a lot of this race and we were talking a lot about it. And I said, what's at stake? What happens if China wins?