Barry Weiss
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976 appearances
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2 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard Mar 2025
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Naive how?
Do you think that we need a Manhattan Project here?
Meta right now, you know, Mark Zuckerberg's company, is also siding with Elon. A few days ago, Meta asked California's AG to block OpenAI from becoming a for-profit. And this is what they said in their letter. OpenAI's conduct could have seismic implications for Silicon Valley.
If OpenAI's new business model is valid, nonprofit investors would get the same for-profit upside as those who invest in the conventional way in for-profit companies while also benefiting from the tax write-offs bestowed by the government. This echoes what Musk said last year when he said, I'm confused as to how a nonprofit, which I donated to, somehow became a market cap for profit.
In other words, if this is legal, like, why isn't everyone doing this?
But for the civilian who's hearing, how does a nonprofit become a for-profit? What's the answer? It doesn't.
At the end of the day, Sam, who is going to profit most from the success of OpenAI?
Will you have equity or do you have equity or what kind of stake do you have in this new capped for-profit?
10%.
I mean, you understand why. Do you get why people are fixated on that?
If you could go back in time, how would you have done this from the beginning? Like, let's wind back the clock to 2015.
How essential was Elon to getting OpenAI off the ground? Like if the Oracle also told you about this fight that would ensue with someone that you regarded as your close friend, would you have said, you know, don't need him, can do it myself?
I remember, I think it was the first time I ever saw Elon Musk was on stage at a conference. You were interviewing him. You guys had a wonderful dynamic. You seemed like you were really good friends. He has said some really harsh things about you. He's compared you to Littlefinger in the Game of Thrones. And he has most devastatingly said, I don't trust him.
And I don't want the most powerful AI in the world to be controlled by someone who isn't trustworthy. Why is he saying that?
I'm trying to put myself in a position of a former friend, a former co-founder of mine, saying those kinds of things about me. You seem relatively calm about it.
This recent blog post that went up on OpenAI's site said that Elon should, quote, be competing in the marketplace rather than in the courtroom. And the cynical view, of course, is to say, and you've alluded to this in this conversation, that Elon, who now owns an OpenAI competitor himself called XAI, is suing you not out of some concern over...
AI safety or anything else, but really just to get in on the competition. What do you say to that? Is the cynical view true? Is this really just a fight to be the first to dominate the market? Or is there... You should ask him. I hope, yeah, I hope to. I invited him on.
After the break, more with OpenAI's Sam Altman. We'll be right back.
Let's talk a little bit about AI regulation and questions about safety in AI. You're not just known as one of the most important AI CEOs, AI developers in the world. You're also a very, very well-known proponent of AI regulation.
And the cynical view here, right, is that in the very same way that you could cast dispersions on Elon's motives, you could look at the way that you have lobbied for AI regulations as a way to stifle competition and benefit your company. Obviously, you've heard that argument before. I'd love for you to respond to that.
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