Bart Butler

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681 appearances 1 recordings 1 series first heard Jul 2026 last heard 16 Jul

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I'm sure.

But the Proton Foundation structure is designed to say that, no, the company cannot be sold to a buyer.

We do have a division structure, a business unit structure.

Certain products are bundled together, like mail and calendar, so they're bundled into the same division.

Other ones are separate.

So we have LUMO, we have Drive, we have PaaS, and we have VPN.

These are separate divisions.

You make choices about corporate structure based on what communication you want to be easiest.

So that's designed to allow people to move fast and to have autonomy and make decisions within their product.

And then we also have teams that work sort of cross-organization teams or support teams and things like that.

On that side, the trade-off of the business structure is there, we sometimes have to work harder.

It's a little bit like corralling cats, where you have to make sure that, okay, I'm building this feature that touches all the products.

I need to make sure that all the products are on board and they have it in their planning so that we can ship it correctly.

We've made a deliberate decision to prioritize in-product communication, and then we try to compensate for the shortcomings of that,

in our cross-product communication.

And then as we transition to more and more ecosystem-based stuff, we may make different choices about the corporate structure to support that.

It's the whole Conway's Law thing, right?

You ship your org chart, but sometimes you want the best of both worlds, and this is where process comes along.

It's not always sexy, but you find it super important as you scale organizations, for sure.

You do.

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