Becky Shaulis

He was constantly yelling at the religious leaders and supporting those who were the downcast and the trodden and the people who were outcasts like prostitutes and tax collectors and people who were physically disabled.

And his disciples were also outcasts.

If you look at what they did culturally, they were all older than they should have been.

culturally to be chosen by a rabbi.

And so if I'm modeling myself after him and following his example, then social justice, the way it should be, is built into that.

I should be advocating for those who are outcast and those who are downtrodden and so on and so forth.

But that doesn't mean that I'm affirming every delusion they have.

And that's the difference, I think, if that makes sense.

And Catherine Clark added to use it as leverage.

100%.

Yeah.

I think the other thing there is as somebody who has benefited from SNAP benefits in the past because I got laid off when I was five months pregnant with my first daughter and when my husband got laid off the week before she was born in 2009, we were the poster children for the recession.

And we spent several years on SNAP as a result.

I was working.

He was doing consulting, but I was working in a nonprofit and barely making money.

$30,000, I think, you know, the original intent for welfare was a hand up.

It was supposed to be temporary.

It was supposed to be here.

Let's get you back on your feet kind of thing.

It wasn't supposed to be for years and years and years and generations upon generations upon generations.