Ben Affleck

And Tennessee Williams was like, but I wrote him as a brute.

He was like a two-dimensional brute who just came and beat up his wife and was supposed to be this kind of dark looming force over the play.

But Brando was like, no, he's a human being and I'm going to play him like a fucking human being.

And it changed the play.

But Williams, in all of his writings- So much more reflects life in the real world.

In perpetuity.

Yeah.

I was because because I bet some of those people would have preferred to go to jail for 18 months or whatever and then come out and say, no, but I.

We can't – I paid my debt.

Like we're done.

The thing about that getting kind of excoriated publicly like that, it just never ends.

And it's the first thing that – it just will follow you to the grave I think.

Well, it's like it's all it's about evolution.

Right.

And in our own personal evolution and we're all in our on our own path towards that.

Like the idea of attacking someone, it's like, oh, so you you ace the test, like put your pencil down, like you nail being human.

I was really surprised, too.

I kind of put it on and not, you know, not thinking I'd like it.

I loved it.

Josh O'Connor, who played the priest, because I first saw him on The Crown.