Ben Buchanan

coordination and not rushing ahead, including, again, potential coordination with the Chinese, while not exacerbating this arms race dynamic. I would not say that we tried to race ahead in applications to national security.

coordination and not rushing ahead, including, again, potential coordination with the Chinese, while not exacerbating this arms race dynamic. I would not say that we tried to race ahead in applications to national security.

So part of the national security memorandum is a pretty lengthy kind of description of what we're not going to do with AI systems and a whole list of prohibited use cases and then high impact use cases. And there's a governance and you're not in power anymore.

So part of the national security memorandum is a pretty lengthy kind of description of what we're not going to do with AI systems and a whole list of prohibited use cases and then high impact use cases. And there's a governance and you're not in power anymore.

That's a fair question. Now, they haven't repealed this. The Trump administration has not repealed this. But I do think it's fair to say that for the period while we had power, the foundation we were trying to build with AI, we were very cognizant to the dynamic you were talking about, a race to the bottom on safety.

That's a fair question. Now, they haven't repealed this. The Trump administration has not repealed this. But I do think it's fair to say that for the period while we had power, the foundation we were trying to build with AI, we were very cognizant to the dynamic you were talking about, a race to the bottom on safety.

And we were trying to guard against it, even as we tried to assure a position of U.S. preeminence.

And we were trying to guard against it, even as we tried to assure a position of U.S. preeminence.

I don't know that it's pretty antagonistic to say we are not going to sell you the most advanced technology in the world. That does not in itself, that's not a declaration of war. That is not even itself a declaration of a Cold War. I think it is just saying this technology is incredibly important. Do you think that's how they understood it?

I don't know that it's pretty antagonistic to say we are not going to sell you the most advanced technology in the world. That does not in itself, that's not a declaration of war. That is not even itself a declaration of a Cold War. I think it is just saying this technology is incredibly important. Do you think that's how they understood it?

This is more academic than you want, but my academic research when I started as a professor was based on the society's trap, or what in academia we call a security dilemma, of how nations misunderstand each other. So I'm sure the Chinese and the United States misunderstand each other at some level in this area. But I don't think they do.

This is more academic than you want, but my academic research when I started as a professor was based on the society's trap, or what in academia we call a security dilemma, of how nations misunderstand each other. So I'm sure the Chinese and the United States misunderstand each other at some level in this area. But I don't think they do.

The plain reading of the facts is that not selling chips to them I don't think is a declaration of war.

The plain reading of the facts is that not selling chips to them I don't think is a declaration of war.

To some degree. I don't want to trigger this. I'm sure they do see it that way. On the other hand, we set up an AI dialogue with them. And, you know, I flew to Geneva and met them. And we tried to talk to them about AI safety and the like. So I do think in an area as complex as AI, you can have multiple things be true at the same time. I don't regret for a second the export controls.

To some degree. I don't want to trigger this. I'm sure they do see it that way. On the other hand, we set up an AI dialogue with them. And, you know, I flew to Geneva and met them. And we tried to talk to them about AI safety and the like. So I do think in an area as complex as AI, you can have multiple things be true at the same time. I don't regret for a second the export controls.

And I think... Frankly, we are proud to have done them when we did them because it has helped ensure that here we are a couple of years later, we retain the edge in AI for as good as our talent as DeepSeek is.

And I think... Frankly, we are proud to have done them when we did them because it has helped ensure that here we are a couple of years later, we retain the edge in AI for as good as our talent as DeepSeek is.

Yeah, let's just take one step back so we're tracking the history of DeepSeq here. So we'd been watching DeepSeq in the White House since November of 23, or thereabouts, when they put out their first coding system. And there's no doubt that the DeepSeq engineers are extremely talented. And they got better and better at their systems throughout 2024.

Yeah, let's just take one step back so we're tracking the history of DeepSeq here. So we'd been watching DeepSeq in the White House since November of 23, or thereabouts, when they put out their first coding system. And there's no doubt that the DeepSeq engineers are extremely talented. And they got better and better at their systems throughout 2024.