Ben Dobyns

But again, because, you know, our goal here is not an exit.

We're not looking for an exit.

We're not looking for an IPO.

We're storytellers.

So the goal from the beginning, how do you, how do you on here though?

Yeah.

So, and that's, that's really where we're still very much in a growth stage.

So my goal is to put as much into our people and into our team and into our production value as possible.

So how do you expand this?

Well, you know, in some ways what we do is really similar to software as a service business models.

And the growth curves are very similar.

And we're actually in a place right now where, you know, when you're doing software as a service, you kind of hit that point where you've just managed to start breaking even.

And the wrong decision is to then continue on that path.

The right decision is you want to turn around and then lose a bunch of money into increasing your growth curve.

And so we're at that point right now.

And like I said before, I've turned down a lot of money in venture capital.

Most recently, half a million.

Yeah.

You know, I actually don't know.

Well, I wasn't going to give them any because they were venture capital.