Ben Domenech

Yeah.

And that's the difference.

So it's a really good way of explaining it.

And I think a great starting point.

I want to move, if I can, to sub creation, because I think that might be the only word on the list that isn't.

I mean, it is still directly connected to Faerie, but it's externally connected, whereas everything else is almost a consequence of Faerie or a result of being in Faerie, whereas sub-creation is what it takes to get there.

Sub-creation is Tolkien's way of...

explaining the act of what most of us would just call creation.

Well, what am I going to do?

I'm going to create something, right?

I'm a content creator.

No, you're a content sub-creator.

Everything you do is a sub-creation in Tolkien's mind because we sub-create because there's only one creator and therefore we're sub-creating.

So that's his concept there.

And it's an interesting...

Ooh, this is going to tie into secondary worlds.

I don't want to go that far yet.

I want to do one thing at a time.

But the idea is that, that we create because it's in our very nature.

Like we, we cannot help but to create and, and it's, it's an expression of our nature is created beings that we do this as well.