Ben Greenfield

And then one of the reasons that I just hinted at that I stopped doing it was because I realized

And like this is one of the only podcasts in a really long time that I've even talked about this stuff.

I realized that for every like nine people that it might help, there's one person who gets like super psychologically or spiritually messed up from this stuff.

And so now I'm really careful like saying, oh, go to entheogens.

and pharmacological psychedelics and ayahuasca and go find God with DMT just because I think these are like the nuclear bombs of the spiritual world.

And you have to be way more careful with this stuff than what a lot of people think.

The way that humans have traditionally interacted with the spiritual world and pierced the veil and crossed the portal is typically via the use of some kind of chemical compound that puts the brain into a state

where i personally don't believe it's just a soup of different neurochemicals but i believe you are actually crossing into a different dimension and the fact that people from so many different walks of life who have never spoken to each other see similar elements of sacred geometry see similar entities like purple fairies and fairies and you know praying mantises

Have similar experiences, encounter each other in that space, even without knowing that each other were in that space, like seeing each other's spirits in that world.

Some people coming back literally like possessed with almost like an entity or a demon on board.

Really?

People being able to go to like South America and keep getting pulled back there because, you know, a shaman or someone who has the ability to be able to do this has somehow like cursed or possessed them.

And even if you look at like, here's a perfect example, like astral travel, like the ability to be able to like go somewhere else in your mind while your body is in one place, like LSD would be like one of the traditional methods with which like elements of the world of like sorcery and witchcraft have done that.

Like a witch riding on a broom, like the stereotypical like Halloween silhouette image of a witch riding on a broom is influenced by the fact that

women sorcerers used to dip their brooms in a lysergemide, like an LSD-like compound, and then apply that vaginally for the rapid absorption to then be able to travel mentally to a different world to be able to interact with different beings, including the spiritual world.

Now it's like a witch riding on a broom, but that was where that originally came from.

So if you talk with someone who's done like, I don't know, like

ayahuasca or a heroic dose of psilocybin or especially DMT, there's very few people who do something like that and come back denying the existence of a spiritual world, especially if they were like an atheist before that.

Because you really do cross over this portal where you realize like there's a whole different dimension around us that we can't see in our native state, but that certain chemical compounds that grow on this planet or that are synthesized allow us to be able to delve into and interact with.

No, I haven't been there.