Ben Greenfield

And it definitely transformed our relationship.

I think that it's not the only way that we could have transformed our relationship.

That's just the, you know,

I have a pastor who says, God draws straight with crooked lines, right?

And that just happens to be the way that we got to where we are right now.

But again, you know I'm being super cautious right now.

Yes, you're looking down.

You're very uncomfortable.

I'm thinking about my words carefully.

Just because drugs can be so dangerous for so many people, depending on your spiritual health, on your psychological health.

Yeah.

So, you know, just like the GLPs and everything else, like a lot of this stuff is like, just because I'm talking about something I did in Guinea pig doesn't mean I recommend it for everybody.

Right.

Do not take anything as advice.

Well, I didn't do it.

A doctor did it.

because it was so profound at deepening our relationship that we came back and did it several times also as a part of that particular organization.

You're kinda like supposed to do it multiple times.

Oh, so it's not like a one and done.

It's kinda like a build phase.