Ben Greenfield

And that's

why you see a lot of people like going back to prove for their 38th ayahuasca retreat to finally fix their issues so i'm not saying that this stuff is like recommended safe a permanent solution you asked me about crazy stuff that i've tried and done and there was a phase where i used a lot of those kind of compounds

Mm-hmm.

I want to say the cocktail stuff, I just don't know about boundaries and legality and stuff like that.

It's many of the entheogens that you would know about, like wachuma and lysergemia and psilocybin and ayahuasca and even a lot of different synthetics, but kind of combined in a very precise fashion based on you and your needs and your body weight and your size and what it is you're looking for, et cetera.

a few times.

And then I've also done it six times with my wife.

And it actually was like really, really, really, really deepened our relationship to do something like that together.

And again, like, I'm super cautious here, because I also don't want to, like, have somebody who's going through a relationship issue and be like, Oh, it's time to go like to Tennessee and do drugs.

It kind of flies under the radar also because it's illegal.

Right.

It's like one of the reasons I'm being cautious here.

I don't want to get people in trouble.

Because it's not as though people aren't doing this stuff in the U.S.

So it happens, but I just want to be kind of careful.

I would say that as far as the effects, you could make an argument that the long-term effects of many of these entheogens or psychedelics when used properly can be long-term neuroplasticity and a changing of the brain that makes you

less of a ruminator or less anal retentive or less ocd or less add or less of an and i would say that i actually experienced many of those type of effects just like the ability to be able to like think more creatively act more freely and be you know back to the creature of habit thing which is a good thing but like a little bit more free-flowing yeah respect

But I would say like of anything, like the number one thing that I got out of all of that stuff, if I could name one was being able to back to the training wheels piece, like talk to my wife about anything and just like be super transparent and honest with her and her with me and just see each other as like actual real infinite spirits and souls and

us doing something like that.

You hear about MDMA therapy, it'd be kind of like a baby version of that or MDMA therapy would be like a baby version of what we did.