Ben Harnwell

And I'll deal with your questions in order.

But first, I've got to say a few things first.

We've been given special permission here, and we thank the organisers of this conference for allowing us to do a live stream on the War Room, direct from the floor of the conference centre.

Over my shoulder, you can hear a good friend of the War Room, Joel Gilbert, currently giving his keynote speech.

That's the first thing I have to say.

The second thing I have to say is that whereas the International Bureau has provided one set of aprons

the two of us there's only one microphone and it's there in dr thayer's ear so if i'm meaning a little close and sort of talking about this i just want to say on international television i'm not trying to use the opportunity here to be overly chummy with dr thayer and i'm not sort of whispering sweet nothings into his ear i'm talking about this because that's the microphone there

and otherwise you won't be hearing me at all.

Right now here we are in Sydney at Sydney's conference, the first conference that they've organised of this scope since this movement advanced was created about eight years ago.

In American terms, the nearest thing I think

we could use to describe it would be the American MAGA movement.

It's very much pitched to replace the traditional centre-right political parties, the Liberal Party and the National Party, as those establishment parties have done what centre-right establishment parties are doing around the world.

pivoting away from responding to their base.

And this movement here, movement-led, it's not a political party, has very much moved to occupy that territory.

It has a couple of huge successes under its belt.

It was just this brief time, and one of them was winning a referendum a couple of years ago, which was supposed to create a special parliament for Australia's indigenous.

When Advance took over the official no campaign to that,

I think nine months before the referendum, the polls were indicating that the yes side would win that referendum 70% to 30%.

These guys took over that campaign and the referendum was actually won by them on a 60-40 turnover.

And Steve, the only thing I can know, I can say off the top of my head, of a similar turnaround is when you took over the Trump campaign in 2016, 88 days before election campaign, when the president was...