Ben Harnwell

What I was specifically looking at or looking for is the idea that the whole concept of democracy in Spain might be so discredited if this is the sort of thing that emerges out of it.

And people will say, look, if this is democracy, I don't want it.

You know, it's better under Franco.

That's what I'm... Are there people in Spain looking at what's going on at the moment and...

sort of rejecting it privately in conversations.

I'm not saying that they're going out with placards or protesting, but are there people saying, looking at this maneuver and saying, if this is democracy, I don't want it.

It's failed.

Okay, now I don't want to put words into your mouth, but I do want to know, because you're there on the ground, and you have a political party which is extremely responsive to the public anger, so I do want to be precise in my own mind here about this.

So let me just ask you this one more time before I just...

read some publicity.

Is part of your argument, therefore, is part of the argument of national democracy, democracia nacional, right?

Is part of your argument to the government, to your socialist government, do not go through

and give permanent papers to 500 000 illegal third world invaders because i don't do it by royal decree either because if you proceed with this in addition to all the negative aspects that we're going to have on society i'm going to cover those after the break in terms of crime and what have you in addition to all these negative things that are going to come out of this you will also put the whole apparatus of democracy

in danger.

Is that right?

Not only in Spain, Gonzalo.

This is what we're seeing right across the West.

Okay, stay with us.

We'll be back with Gonzalo Martín in just 60 seconds.

But first, do you owe back taxes or you haven't perhaps filed in a number of years?