Ben Lindbergh

But, you know, they put her under without explaining what's happening. And they do it so fast also. Like, you know, they're ready to kill her before Joel even wakes up from his bump on the head.

And, you know, you'd think that, like, in this situation where you have one immune person and the fate of humanity is hanging in the balance, in addition to this one person, like, wouldn't you just try to maybe synthesize, like, a vaccine or something without killing her? Like, maybe there's, you know, take some blood samples.

And, you know, you'd think that, like, in this situation where you have one immune person and the fate of humanity is hanging in the balance, in addition to this one person, like, wouldn't you just try to maybe synthesize, like, a vaccine or something without killing her? Like, maybe there's, you know, take some blood samples.

And, you know, you'd think that, like, in this situation where you have one immune person and the fate of humanity is hanging in the balance, in addition to this one person, like, wouldn't you just try to maybe synthesize, like, a vaccine or something without killing her? Like, maybe there's, you know, take some blood samples.

Like, you know, maybe you can take a piece of the cordyceps from her brain without destroying all of it. You know, like, just seems like... this potential solution to the plague falls into your hands, you're going to take your time. I mean, I know it's a pressing situation, but you've waited this long, this many years.

Like, you know, maybe you can take a piece of the cordyceps from her brain without destroying all of it. You know, like, just seems like... this potential solution to the plague falls into your hands, you're going to take your time. I mean, I know it's a pressing situation, but you've waited this long, this many years.

Like, you know, maybe you can take a piece of the cordyceps from her brain without destroying all of it. You know, like, just seems like... this potential solution to the plague falls into your hands, you're going to take your time. I mean, I know it's a pressing situation, but you've waited this long, this many years.

You know, don't do anything rash because you might kill her and then find out that you've just cost yourself a chance to synthesize some sort of cure. So the fact that it's super expedited like that makes it work. Like, this is why Joel has to take everything into his own hands and do it immediately and slaughter everyone because of those circumstances.

You know, don't do anything rash because you might kill her and then find out that you've just cost yourself a chance to synthesize some sort of cure. So the fact that it's super expedited like that makes it work. Like, this is why Joel has to take everything into his own hands and do it immediately and slaughter everyone because of those circumstances.

You know, don't do anything rash because you might kill her and then find out that you've just cost yourself a chance to synthesize some sort of cure. So the fact that it's super expedited like that makes it work. Like, this is why Joel has to take everything into his own hands and do it immediately and slaughter everyone because of those circumstances.

And you kind of like don't even notice that they've set it up in just that way because it is such an amazing moral dilemma. But everything kind of has to conspire to make it that way. And same thing for this indelible scene. You do need Joel just to walk right into Abby's trap in a way that seems... kind of improbable.

And you kind of like don't even notice that they've set it up in just that way because it is such an amazing moral dilemma. But everything kind of has to conspire to make it that way. And same thing for this indelible scene. You do need Joel just to walk right into Abby's trap in a way that seems... kind of improbable.

And you kind of like don't even notice that they've set it up in just that way because it is such an amazing moral dilemma. But everything kind of has to conspire to make it that way. And same thing for this indelible scene. You do need Joel just to walk right into Abby's trap in a way that seems... kind of improbable.

It's like, OK, they're debating, how are we going to get this guy out of the city? And then he just shows up and is like, well, I'm Joel. Maybe I can spend the blizzards at your cabin here. So, you know, it's maybe best not to think about some of the circumstances and coincidence that have to line up to produce these memorable moments. But it doesn't make them any less memorable, ultimately. Yeah.

It's like, OK, they're debating, how are we going to get this guy out of the city? And then he just shows up and is like, well, I'm Joel. Maybe I can spend the blizzards at your cabin here. So, you know, it's maybe best not to think about some of the circumstances and coincidence that have to line up to produce these memorable moments. But it doesn't make them any less memorable, ultimately. Yeah.

It's like, OK, they're debating, how are we going to get this guy out of the city? And then he just shows up and is like, well, I'm Joel. Maybe I can spend the blizzards at your cabin here. So, you know, it's maybe best not to think about some of the circumstances and coincidence that have to line up to produce these memorable moments. But it doesn't make them any less memorable, ultimately. Yeah.

Right. Exactly. And then, you know, if he still makes the choice at that point, I guess there's no dilemma anymore is the thing, because then, OK, Joel is actually a monster. But maybe they think, oh, maybe it's less cruel to just do it without her even knowing and without him having a chance to save her or anything. But. Yeah, it's it's not the best way to go about it.

Right. Exactly. And then, you know, if he still makes the choice at that point, I guess there's no dilemma anymore is the thing, because then, OK, Joel is actually a monster. But maybe they think, oh, maybe it's less cruel to just do it without her even knowing and without him having a chance to save her or anything. But. Yeah, it's it's not the best way to go about it.

Right. Exactly. And then, you know, if he still makes the choice at that point, I guess there's no dilemma anymore is the thing, because then, OK, Joel is actually a monster. But maybe they think, oh, maybe it's less cruel to just do it without her even knowing and without him having a chance to save her or anything. But. Yeah, it's it's not the best way to go about it.

Their hands are not clean here either. So let's just talk briefly about the attack on Jackson, too, because in the game, Abby stumbles over a few infected under the snow. But here we have a horde. They have multiplied exponentially. Did you like that this happened in the same episode as Joel's death?