Ben McKenzie

And I, you know, what are you going to do?

So I miked up, I went over and I had this whole conversation with him that is really wild.

Some of it's in the movie.

He's just like such a used car salesman, right?

Just like obviously kind of blustery and full of it.

And, um,

That was the first day.

So I figured I should keep going.

So yeah, that's how it started.

And I just kept going.

And I needed to also finish the book.

So 2022 was documenting and 2023 was the book.

And then the book came out in the summer.

And then I could really turn to all this random footage that I had, which was like interviewing these guys like Alex and Sam Beckman-Fried, testifying to Capitol Hill, going to El Salvador.

We can talk about that.

But I didn't have a narrative.

I needed to create a narrative spine.

And the spine became...

Me my story, you know, why the hell was I doing this?

Like both personally and then sort of like in terms of my cause or more ideals here and that works because I basically was able to use my My much more famous and talented wife and get her for free to have to be in the movie and wrote my kids into it and it worked out but it took a while to create the narrative and