Ben McKenzie

Right.

And try it.

And my buddy Dave, in the movie, I try to explain how I got into it because a friend of this really happened.

A friend of mine said in the depths of COVID, I should buy Bitcoin.

And

my buddy's great but he's kind of been a knucklehead about money yeah dave and and and so i was like i'm not going to do that dave but i do do i do i do want to hear more tell me about it and he couldn't tell me about it and so i had to do my own research but um in terms of the people that that are into it you know it's everybody and i describe it in the movie is look crypto is really just a story a get rich quick scheme a story of sort of you're going to be wealthy and also it's going to fix all these problems and it's going to like give you all this freedom and

It's a story as old as time, really, just wrapped in this sort of technobabble stuff.

That appeals to just an extraordinary number of people.

So if you think of it that way, then crypto is really just a projection of the hopes and dreams of so many people.

And I interview a bunch of the victims of the Celsius scam.

You know, after I met the CEO, I felt like I should talk to these folks.

And so we post on Reddit and all these guys replied.

It was all guys.

And I had really good conversations with them.

And very sincere conversations about, okay, well, what did you want this money to do?

You were going to make money.

What was it going to do for you?

I'll add various answers, but the most sort of heartbreaking was a guy working construction in Texas who just, he said he wanted to make a little money to spend more time with his daughter.

That's really sad.

And then, you know, he felt like he let her down when he lost the money.