Ben Meiselas

He's been making a lot of

lot more statements out there i mean you know it's it's wild though when you see the president of the united states making these posts attacking the pope and going after the pope and then saying i don't like the pope whatever he's a bad guy and then seeing like the iranian president make a post like this

your excellency pope leo xiv on behalf of the great nation of iran i condemn the insult to your excellency and declare that the desecration of jesus peace be upon him the prophet of peace and brotherhood is unacceptable to any free person i wish glory for you from allah now you may be saying ben you're going to fall for that that's the iranian president of course it's propaganda he doesn't really mean those words why are you going to show us that

And I'll just say this.

In war and in peace, we would be naive if we didn't recognize that propaganda is tools used by governments.

We should be able to deconstruct those here as an independent media company, use our own objective, analytical, legal tools and frameworks to try to describe what's really happening and be fearless in calling that out.

But when you're trying to persuade, when you're trying to

gain favor and build support i think it's important to conduct yourself certain ways and when you have the leader of the united states conducting his behavior in this way attacking everyone and everything with weird memes and you know this abhorrent behavior then you say okay well what are they doing over there because

know trump and net yahoo and everybody wants to depict these people as savages as killers as maniacs who just want nuclear armageddon and they're the worst people ever and i look and i see donald trump

And Netanyahu talking about annihilation and destruction and I'll take your bridge down and I've got you and I'm going to crumble your civilization and we loiter over you and we rain down hell and we will murder all of you.

I mean, that's like literally what Trump and exit the Netanyahu say, like they say those things, right?

And then on the other hand, I'm like, okay, let me look to see what's, let me see what they're saying over there.

you know and they're out there making comments like your excellency pope leo xiv we stand in solidarity to you and i understand that like i'm not naive to the way you know propaganda works i'm not naive to it but i also think it's very curious that the trump regime is behaving precisely the way they've stereotyped the way iran is behaving and i'm just making that observation throughout this whole process that

Donald Trump is the one who appears to be like an unhinged lunatic in absolutely everything.

I mean, look at what he calls in over the weekend after the failed negotiations because he wanted to change the negotiating framework with Iran.

He induced them into a negotiation.

Trump posted, I agree to their 10-point framework.

I think that is a suitable place to begin negotiations.

Trump posted that.

And then Trump reposted the Iranian foreign minister, Araghchi's post.