Ben Orlando

And so I'm really proud of myself for doing that.

And like all that I've gained from doing that.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I had to go at three.

Okay.

Oh yeah.

Well, I mean, I mean, this is, yeah, I'm, I'm curious what you think, like, you know, haven't been in the game for so long because this is one of those, to me, there's so many fascinating ideas within this story, but just knuckleball itself, you know, it's like anybody, anybody can throw it, right?

It doesn't take huge muscles.

It doesn't take power.

Like really, anybody could throw the knuckleball and yet almost no one can throw the knuckleball.

It's so hard to throw.

I think Oral Hershiser said, you know, you take the best athletes around the world and maybe 10% of them you'll be able to teach the knuckleball to.

And it's like, so there's that mystery, like why is it so hard?

And then why aren't more people teaching it?

Because it can be super effective and...

There's just so many questions around it that, you know, it's really, I mean, what do you think?

Yeah.

Yeah.

What is it that Tim Wakefield and Ari Dickey and Phil Necro, what is it that they had that other, right?