Ben Rhodes

And it also happened to my friends.

The second thing which I always learn is that we should not be afraid of them.

Like we always think that they are so powerful and so strong, but actually these dudes just play by the same like rules.

And when you become loud and when you become not afraid and when you start to exposing them, like they get so lost because they don't know what to do because they count on you being afraid.

The third thing is that the secret is in big coalitions and that usually in on our side, like politicians are not sexy and hot.

Like it's very rare that you have a candidate.

Yeah.

Or like, you know, Mamdani and stuff like that.

for who you would go on the street and die for.

So we need to create this aura of making elections fun and important and joyful on our own.

And this is why I really believe that we need to form big coalitions, not just with civil society, but also with influencers, with people who are doing different stuff, like with coffee shops, with bars who have the posters.

with people on the ground.

And also one of the things is that we need to demand from politicians like that.

When we go to the elections and when we vote, people need to have a feeling that there will be a difference and that they are voting for something.

And if we don't have this something extra, what I think happened in U.S.

and also in Slovenia to a certain extent, like it's very hard to do a campaign because people deserve more and politicians need to promise more.

And the fifth thing is that expose them and talk about their tactics and their strategies because it's important that people understand.

And in our case, what was also important that like

we were a group of friends.

Like if I wouldn't have such a close relationship with journalists who are exposing this and with part of civil society who was with us, like we would never do this crazy and dangerous thing, but we did it because we trusted each other and we did it to, um,