Ben Rhodes

You have checkpoints.

You have humiliation.

You might get your home destroyed by, burned by settlers.

And then the IDF comes and you get arrested, right?

And I think what Americans have to reckon with, because sometimes people say, well, why do you focus so much on this?

None of this could happen without us.

We have provided, we've lost track of the billions of dollars.

Their war machine, it's both financing billions of dollars in assistance that they get, but it's also arms sales.

We tend to not sell weapons to governments that commit war crimes as a matter of American and international law.

And we have completely thrown that out the door since Netanyahu's launched these wars.

Yeah.

Well, unfortunately, I have to say it that way.

Yeah.

I do understand where you're going.

And I want to kind of get us to why I think we need to completely dismantle a bunch of the infrastructure of American foreign policy.

All right, let's go.

Because that's the only way to change things.

But to get there first, I think what you have to realize is the United States government is a massive machine.

And for well over 20 years since 9-11, we've been building infrastructure to kill people and bomb people and spy on people across a vast swath of territory that runs through North Africa, the Middle East, and into South Asia and Afghanistan, Pakistan.

And one of the things that happens is when you build that kind of infrastructure,