Ben Rhodes

It's probably going to help his party a little bit.

So I think this is not the end.

I do not think Venezuela is the end.

And I think they mean what they say, that they want to run this place like an empire.

They keep telling us this.

And I don't know why we wouldn't listen to them.

Yeah, I there if people are watching this and thinking like, well, you know, what's the big deal?

Why can't the United States, you know, there are only 30 or 50,000 people there or even Maduro like we did this.

What's the big deal?

There's two problems, meta problems.

Right.

One is that the Trump administration just doesn't give a shit about people.

So if the people getting blown up in the boats are fishermen, they don't care.

If Venezuela descends into violent chaos, they don't care.

Like they don't, there's a valueless, if you're not an American and probably specifically a white American, they don't give a shit about you.

And that's an alarming worldview.

And that tends to lead to bad things that happen where we break countries and they're a mess for years.

The second piece is one you just said, though, like we we are breaking every single rule that has held the world together since World War Two.

People got together after World War Two because they had seen where autocrats, nationalism and military aggression led.

It led to two world wars.