Where Will Trump Invade Next?
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What led to Trump's invasion of Venezuela?
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Back to Pod Save the World. I'm Tommy Vitor.
I'm Ben Rhodes.
Ben, happy January 6th, fifth year anniversary. Feels like just yesterday you and I were rampaging through the Capitol. Yeah. Taking shits behind Pelosi's desk or whatever we were doing.
Still haven't found Mike Pence.
Yeah. We've been looking for that guy for five years.
Still can't identify him.
We recorded Pod Save America yesterday. We had a whole editorial meeting to think about what else we should cover besides Venezuela. Not one of us, it didn't even occur to us that the episode was going to be coming out on the January 6th anniversary. Maybe that's, is that a good thing? I don't know. No, it's probably terrible.
It's probably not a good thing. It's probably not a good thing. Meanwhile, I got between our last podcast and this one, I got like this... devastating flu. So I was basically like hallucinating through the first 48 hours of the post-Maduro Venezuela regime, but I'm here. I'm on the mend, Tommy.
This is your Jordan flu game.
Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm not there in person though, but you don't want this.
Ben's healing himself exclusively with essential oils, like any good LA West cider. I did my own research. I did my own research.
I got a bunch of home cures.
Yeah. Well, you look good. I'm glad you feel better. The flu is the absolute worst. I got a flu shot over the break I went with my three-year-old to the pediatrician and I had to show her that I was brave and get the flu shot first, which did not feel great, to be honest with you. Then she got it. And then we got ice cream and I let her eat the ice cream before we had lunch.
So it was honestly, we had a really good time. My kids are older and it still works. Ice cream still works.
Chocolate was sprinkled, baby. All right. We got a great show today. We're going to focus just on three big topics. So the first is the latest from Venezuela. We're going to talk about the backstory about how Trump got from negotiations to invasion, why he jenisoned opposition leader Maria Machado and embraced Delcy Rodriguez, who is Maduro's handpicked vice president. Then we're going to go deeper on the so-called Dunrow Doctrine. We're going to explore what Trump's newfound love for regime change and expansionist foreign policy at gunpoint might mean for the world. So that's a fun one for everyone to figure out. And then finally, we're going to cover these massive protests that we've seen in Iran for well over a week now that appear to pose the most serious threat to the regime since, I don't know, probably 2009, Ben.
I mean, 2022 were the last protests of this scale, but it feels like 2009 was the most significant in terms of threat to the establishment there. So there's a lot of people who are watching this closely. And then, Ben, you just did our interview. Who are folks going to hear from?
Yeah, I talked to Joaquin Castro, a Democrat member of the House from San Antonio, who's also the ranking member, ranking Democrat on the House subcommittee that deals with the Western Hemisphere. So he's kind of the senior guy dealing with this region. We talked about his reaction to the operation in Venezuela, Congress's role or lack thereof in terms of how they found out about this. His effort that he's engaging with Thomas Massey and Jim McGovern to pass a war powers resolution that would kind of compel Trump to come back to Congress, not just on use of force of men as well, but Greenland, Mexico, the other places. And just kind of where this is all going and what Democrats are saying about it, what Republicans are saying about it, what his constituents are saying about it.
So it was a good conversation with Joaquin.
Great. That's great. Very important piece of this. I'm excited to hear that. I also did want to say thank you to everybody who listened to our bonus podcast from Saturday. Ben, we hit number four in the Apple rankings of the top podcast episodes, which means we at least temporarily were beating Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, NPR, and even the juggernaut that is Pardon My Take, my favorite sports podcast.
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Chapters
8 chapters
1
What led to Trump's invasion of Venezuela?
0:02–9:57
2
Why did Trump choose Delcy Rodríguez over María Corina Machado?
9:57–11:44
3
What does the new DOJ indictment of Maduro reveal?
11:44–17:59
4
How does the 'Donroe Doctrine' influence U.S. foreign policy?
17:59–22:08
5
What are the implications of regime change for neighboring countries?
22:08–24:33
6
What are the current protests in Iran about?
24:33–31:16
7
How does Congressman Joaquin Castro view Trump's actions?
31:16–39:55
8
What concerns do Americans have about military actions abroad?
39:55–1:40:00