Ben Rhodes

And you're talking about like our right to Greenland is we shouldn't be.

No, and everything, like this is a really important point.

And like, you know, we have some listeners I know who've been following this kind of stuff for years.

And it's like, these people like Lindsey Graham have showed up as defenders of democracy in the world for like decades, right?

Like back to the John McCain days.

But that was all bullshit.

They sold out Maria Machado the day that Trump decided that he'd rather deal with the Maduro regime people.

They sold out Europe the day that the Republican Party became a far-right ethno-nationalist party.

Don't trust these people.

They're the wrong people.

And their ideas are dangerous.

And the reality is this Greenland thing, it's going to come to a head.

We're not one year into Trump.

You think in the next three years he's not going to try to make a play on Greenland?

And how do you have a NATO when the whole basis of the alliance is collective defense and you've got one member just seizing the territory of another?

It doesn't work.

And then to throw Lindsey Graham's arguments back at him, without NATO...

well, then you really do have the likelihood that Putin will go into the Baltics, that Putin will go into Europe proper.

Because NATO is the thing that stops him from doing that.

I think what's clear is that the regime is very weak, weaker than they've been in a very, very long time for a lot of different reasons, right?