Ben Rhodes

I just think we're in a period of instability.

And the question is whether or not

You know, Israel tries to take advantage of that by bombing Iran again and seeing if that it's like, you know, hitting a boxer who they think is about to go down.

I don't think that would be good because I actually think the more chaotic the collapse is of this regime, the more likely there's a civil war and the IRGC or the people that are running the place.

And he's the longest serving dictator in the world.

Yeah, if I were the protesters, I wouldn't be buying it.

And because Trump Trump has been all over the map on Iran.

Right.

One day he wants a deal.

One day bombing them.

You know, one day threatening to bomb them if they cracked down on protesters.

But also, like, does nobody believes that that's out of any sincere interest in protecting protesters?

Like, you know, there's there's not other countries in the world where Trump cares about violent crackdowns.

You know, he's not a human rights motivated person, you know.

So the only way they might believe it is if it looks like the regime is about to fall.

But again, what does it mean for that regime to fall?

Like what what is in place after like whatever?

Like the thing that drives me the most crazy, Tommy, is when I see the kind of people that you have more patience to fight with online than me being like, you know, you don't care about the Iranian people or whatever.

No, I don't, if you're just seeing them as a tool on your geopolitical chess game, to me, that's a definition of not caring about the Iranian people.

Because if this place collapses into civil war, that could be fucking awful, you know?